Cavalry - Underpointed?

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Rank Bajin
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Cavalry - Underpointed?

Postby Rank Bajin » Tue Oct 08, 2019 1:21 am

Gents,

my mate has been doing his nut as he thinks Cavalry are way over-pointed.

He's built spreadsheets galore to prove the point - as the point system isn't clear as to why two knights are the roughly the same price as 4 hirdmen yet are more fragile, and to him less hard hitting

A lot of this stems from his Christian Spanish cavalry not running through my Hirdmen.....

are there any threads which have addressed this - does it feel like a valid point?

cheers

Roy

MartinG
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Re: Cavalry - Underpointed?

Postby MartinG » Tue Oct 08, 2019 4:32 pm

err...cavalry units should not be able to ride through formed heavy infantry!
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Rank Bajin
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Re: Cavalry - Underpointed?

Postby Rank Bajin » Wed Oct 09, 2019 11:57 pm

Hi Martin,

I agree but my mates adamant

I've told him he needs to send his ideas to you

cheers

Roy

Bob Stradling
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Re: Cavalry - Underpointed?

Postby Bob Stradling » Thu Oct 10, 2019 12:38 pm

If you are just doing a simple analysis on combat performance then your friend is correct.

However, when you take into account that cavalry have many other attributes not shared by close order infantry I am not sure you can claim that they are underpointed.

1 They are not march blocked by nearby enemy units.
2 They move much more quickly and therefore will nearly always charge infantry generating momentum tokens
3 They can counter charge and therefore get charge benefits
4 They can disengage infantry with impunity
5 They have the speed and maneuverability to more easily get around flanks and to prevent this will often require a couple of infantry units to be positioned to stop this.
6 A cavalry unit in the flank/rear is not a pleasant experience for formed infantry even if they pass their cohesion test.

This is not a complete list - personally I think they are under pointed, but then I am terrible at using cavalry!

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Re: Cavalry - Underpointed?

Postby Rank Bajin » Fri Oct 11, 2019 1:43 pm

I know Bob - but as he's spent to much time with engineers so he likes a number for everything :-)

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Re: Cavalry - Underpointed?

Postby Bob Stradling » Sat Oct 12, 2019 9:01 am

If you really want to get your friend going with the numbers, try to get him to model the benefits of drilled at 3pts a base, stubborn at 2pts a base and trained phalanx at 2 pts a base...

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Re: Cavalry - Underpointed?

Postby Atheling » Fri Feb 21, 2020 8:22 pm

err...cavalry units should not be able to ride through formed heavy infantry!
Even Late Medieval Cavalry? Hmmmmm.......
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Re: Cavalry - Underpointed?

Postby Xarepunk » Fri Feb 21, 2020 9:18 pm

These can do so, I did this several times, but it's not guaranteed.
With a standard unit you get 5 dice (7 with commander), +2 defence modifier for lances, +2 on CRD and Shock Cavalry bonus. Pair this with a Defense value of 2 and your chances to win the first melee are quite good. Except againt pike blocks...

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Re: Cavalry - Underpointed?

Postby Atheling » Tue Mar 03, 2020 6:08 pm

These can do so, I did this several times, but it's not guaranteed.
With a standard unit you get 5 dice (7 with commander), +2 defence modifier for lances, +2 on CRD and Shock Cavalry bonus. Pair this with a Defense value of 2 and your chances to win the first melee are quite good. Except againt pike blocks...
Thanks mate, that makes a little more sense. They should be able to smash through weak infantry formations but not highly disciplined units.

I got a bit of a shock there for a minute (no pun intended)- all I heard was all cavalry- which is actually not what was said :)
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